Are you afraid to date a black chick?

There is a wildly popular blog on blogger called White Men for Black Women. Check it out and read a little of it. Maybe it’s just me, but a blog like that is very new to me. Very interesting. Basically it is a white guy discussing the barriers people put up when it comes to interracial dating as well as highlighting why he prefers black women. There is also some other political stuff sprinkled in and “success stories.”

Though I’ve started following this blog, and even added it to my blogroll, I’m still not really sure how I feel about it. Do we REALLY need a movement? I have no qualms saying I love white men. However I love ALL men when they are on my good side! So I don’t really care the race — just need the initial attraction, physical or not.

I really dig the guy going all out in this blog of his but like I said, I’m still not sure how I feel about it. What I do like is how he opens things up for discussion. He did a little survey on how white men reacted to the idea of dating a black woman. The most common response seemed overwhelmingly positive about the idea of dating a black woman however there was a DEFINITE stereotype problem. Most of which concluded that black women don’t like white men because they think they are “geeks,” wouldn’t like a guy who liked opera, and other grand generalizations. Is this where we are in 2007?? Sad.

Other things said were basically that overall, society still isn’t comfortable with interracial dating. I say that isn’t entirely true. Black men date white women with ease every day. What society seems MORE uncomfortable with is white men with black women. Why is that? Humor me because I’m speaking from experience. I know my time dating white men “pales” in comparison to the black men I know now who date white women because my experiences were somewhat more negative. The normal disapproving looks, relatives saying I didn’t need the hassle from society…and family members on the guy’s side that didn’t approve. Why is that? Why is society so afraid of a black woman? I’ve heard it all, even here actually. One thing that was said is that black women are too strong-headed. I’ve met a woman in just about every race that fits that bill quite nicely. People say black women have attitude or are mean. I don’t know about mean, but I think women as a whole should have SOME attitude somewhere in their girdle. This isn’t the age of shrinking violets. Women are stronger than ever. Breaking barriers, climbing the corporate ladder, holding office, raising movements. Aren’t ALL women then supposed to be considered strong.

What I can say about the White Men for Black Women blog is that it’s out in the open, honest, not afraid to say what’s what. I like that. But I still think we as people should be at a point now in nearly 2008 where blogs like that don’t have to be created to gain support of an “interracial movement.”

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113 responses to this post.

  1. Very interesting. I had to ponder this one a bit to really think up a good response.

    I fall under that unique category of constantly being called racist even though I am in no way racist. Figure that one out. Strangely enough, I usually get called racist because I am usually outspoken about people who make a big deal about interracial relations and whatnot. It’s no big deal to me, and I tend to be very critical of people who make a big deal about it. I tend to look skeptically at people like this guy, simply because I’m with you in thinking that in 2008 we don’t need a public movement to achieve interracial relationships. Want to date a black chick or a black guy? So be it! However, don’t then go running around yapping about what you’re doing. I mean, it’s cool and all, and I commend people who are willing to take that step… But when you start a blog to talk about it and make people aware of it I get the impression that the guy is just trying to show off how open minded he is and it makes me question his motives. But that’s just me.

    As for me, I’ve never dated a black chick. Not because I didn’t want to, but because I never had the opportunity. I’ve had plenty of black friends try to hook me up with black chicks over the years (telling me I needed a good black woman to keep me in line), but I found it to be a surprisingly difficult task to find black women who were into white guys. Not that I was (or am) offended. To each their own. But I will say that this is nothing new. 10 or more years ago I remember going out with a black coworker of mine while he tried to sell me on the idea of black women being better than white women and how I should try to find myself a good southern black woman… I’d like to think that 10 years later, there’s still that openness between (rational) members of different races and that there isn’t really any need for some sort of radical interracial dating movement…

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  2. For the reasons you stated is exactly why I’m still unsure how I feel about that blog. And I do get tired of how people make interracial such an issue. That said though, I have vented my issues about race myself. For example, my blog about the “ideal woman” reflects the fact that many of the dating sites show that men of all races aren’t as likely to want a black woman as they would say a white or Asian female. That sticks in my craw.
    But a movement? That seems very 1960s and I feel we need to get pass that.

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  3. yeah, that’s what I was trying to get across! I get wordy sometimes, but you said it perfect. It has a very 1960’s feel, and I feel we are beyond that at this point. Sure, there are some taboos to get past, but a “movement” seems very unnecessary.

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  4. p.s. the funny thing is that most men feel that the “ideal” woman is simply the one who is kindly enough to date him 😉

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  5. Funny that you say that arclightzero I remember a favorite quote of a good friend of mine.He said, “we like the girls that like us.’ We are juvenile but it’s partly what makes us us.

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  6. Come on guys! Is it really that simple?!

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  7. AJJ – Of course it’s not that simple but at the same time does it have to be complicated?

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  8. I wish it wasn’t…if it truly wasn’t complicated, I don’t think that guy would have started his blog in the first place. However I do think relationships as a whole have enough issues without making race one of them!

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  9. And I could not agree with you more whole heartedly.

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  10. Hope you don’t mind but I want to weigh in with one last thought.

    I couldn’t get your post or that blog out of my mind.

    Firstly, i think it’s a ludicrous blog and premise. I can understand your apprehension about the topic. Why isn’t it Men for Women? Putting colours on it makes it racist no matter what he may claim. I think his title tells me everything I need to know. Don’t give him weight. Don’t let him create more readers. It’s bad stuff at its core.

    Of course, it’s just my oppinion. 🙂

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  11. I see your point. But I think folks should be aware of such blogs though, don’t you think? Your point is well taken, however.

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  12. This is an interesting discussion. I found it at the wrong time though. After I finish my nightly chores I will be back to share my thoughts on this topic.

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  13. Something to chew on: Click here.
    WTF?

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  14. J –

    I love your insight…. and I’d date a woman of any color or race or religion but as you know… I’m a big ‘Mo! But have always loved the woman (and men) of color!

    Race is so unimportant but I don’t know if we need a MOVEMENT! How about about a movement for something a little more important… like.. oh… I don’t know…. An illegal war, or the impeachment of a criminal president, health care and a solid education for our children, or even clean air!!!

    Much admiration as always,

    Chris
    http://www.2288beckleyrd.com

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  15. Oh.. I forgot to add:

    There is one black woman I would not date, and that is Debbie Allen. That crazy thing stalked me at the Beverly Hills Neiman Marcus back in Dec 1992. She scared me in her big orange fur hat and coat and every where I went there she was staring at me. I’d leave one department and she would follow me… staring… go to another and there she was… Finally I ran like s rabbit does when it sees a fox, and I lost her.

    So… any other woman of color.. YES (If I were straight)… but not Debbie Allen.

    I thought I saw her sister today on 5th Ave in NY and I started running the other way just in case it was in the jeans… I mean genes.

    Chris
    http://www.2288beckleyrd.com

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  16. All I’m doing right now is rolling on the floor, laughing my ass off, Chris.
    There you go again, making me giggle!

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  17. Hey Greg! I’m in suspense over here.

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  18. Im glad I could put a smile on your face…..

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  19. “Come on guys! Is it really that simple?!”

    Yep!

    Well, no… It’s complicated really. There are, of course, may factors to consider… But I have seen it with my own two eyes, and race/color become very unimportant when the more important aspects come into play. The idea of “we like the girls who like us” isn’t all that far off, because if you can get a girl to like you (especially if she’s really into you) then most other things become secondary.

    There are many people who think differently, but then those aren’t necessarily the people who are in it for the relationship so much the physical appearance or whatnot. Like guys who date skinny hot models. But even then, I would bet if Tyra Banks approached one of them they wouldn’t turn her down!

    I’ll wrap up with a funny story that puts this in perspective a bit… When I was in the Navy, I had a good friend who was from Arkansas. Very white bread. Wore cowboy shirts and everything. When I first met him he was dating a Finnish girl. Very typical white chick. In that sense, he was kind of a redneck. They broke up soon after and we were just two single guys. One day he ran across an Asian girl who really liked him. Redneck or not, he put aside his typical “Southern guy” feelings and started dating her. That was 5 years ago. Last I heard, he was announcing their marriage.

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  20. Nice. I’ve turned a few cowboys myself…

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  21. AJJ – Stop being a showoff now. 😉

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  22. […] post spawns from two things that have occurred recently. First off is a post by Arm Jerker J. on her blog where she addresses a peculiar blog she ran across that is basically a guy who is trying to start […]

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  23. Do we REALLY need a movement?

    If I had heroes, you’d be one.

    We should start a group to spread awareness that there are entirely too many movements.

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  24. Ah. Bagel, you are on to something there. Seriously. We should have a group of “let’s put a stop to movements because they KEEP us back 40 years.”

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  25. Ohhh! I’ll make the signs!

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  26. Black Women are Beautiful – My experience is they do prefer to date black women but once I was lucky enough to date a beautiful black lady in London… But this is just my experience. Happy to read other thoughts on this. A.

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  27. Good point, my view is that the feeling is the key no matter what the color or race is.

    oh,,,, guys, you can not image what I have found. I am a black cuttie and I just met my love half year ago and we will get married next month, and interracial love of course. Am I lucky? So lucky I think, and I wanna share my happiness with all of you here.

    By the way, I found my half part baby on a great site.He is really gorgeous, even sometimes he is a liittle shy. -:) If you try, you also can be the next lucky one. LOL.

    Bye!! and good luck to you all.

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  28. I found your blog by mistake but I’m gland I did. I’m a caucasian male—I hate the term white because I’m not and never have been; pale perhaps but more oriental in coloring. Incidentally I’m a bit too old to be of interest, but I hope you don’t hold it against me. I think that you may find what I have to say to be of interest.

    Nearly 30 years ago I fell in love with a black (actually her skin was closer to dark brown) woman and I know what you’re talking about with the stares and nasty comments. Carol had to pull me away from several of the jackasses. I think black and Jewish men were the worst.

    At the time I was built like the proverbial brick —- house and could have handled myself with most of them. Unfortunately, the worst SOB was Carol’s landlord, an old Jewish guy who should have been more concerned with his own brethren’s wayward eyes for black women than some Goy like me.

    Nonetheless, my experience with Carol made me a true believer in reincarnation. The curve of her body, the shape of her lips and the hue of her skin seemed more compatible with my desires than any other woman (mostly white)I had ever been with. I think the fact that she had a large top lip and small bottom, while mine were the exact opposite also helped to create instant karma.

    She had earned a degree in industrial psych, was very bright, and had been married to an accountant. I have to add that intelligence had been a primary prerequisite for dating ever since my first marriage to a lovely girl with the brains of a doorstop. To date a black girl who insisted on playing to the dumb stereotype would have turned me off as much as snobbish country club blondes have.

    I’ve also wondered if my attraction may have been something that had been brewing since early childhood. I’m originally from a very black section of Paterson New Jersey. Until I was six about half the people I would see in a day were black. Then my family moved to the suburbs and I was surrounded by nothing but whites. Could my feverish little mind have concluded that blacks were better looking than whites? I don’t know, but the alternative answer is reincarnation and I’ve sworn of religion.

    After Carol I dated two other black girls, one a brilliant South African lass who had grown up just outside of London in St. Albans. She wasn’t particularly beautiful but again, it was the brains and skin thing. The other girl was beautiful and an American who had performed on Broadway. Ah…the memories.

    What disgusts me, however, is this idea that white men date or marry black women to be cuckolded. I’m certain there are a few who do, just as I’m certain there are many who want a black woman because they’re sexually wild. I find this amusing, since the wildest women I’ve had anything to do with were white. But, for me, wild doesn’t necessarily equal interest on my part. Again, I guess I’m just weird, or at least I used to be weird; now I’m just retired.

    At any rate, I think interracial dating and marriage would be a healthy thing for the United States if it weren’t for the fact that we’re becoming a more polarized society by the minute. I think interracial couples have a more difficult time keeping things together today than ever before. When was the last time you saw an ad for dating or matchmaking that had a black and white couple in it?

    Oh well.

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  29. As some of you know may know, I’m of Africa heritage. Hubby, on the other hand, is Caucasian. To most people, we’re an interracial couple. It’s nothing I really think about or notice, but other people (occasionally) comment on it.

    As a result, I’m fairly sensitive to interracial dating. And I recently discovered InterracialMatch dot com, an interracial dating website for men and women who are specifically looking for an interracial relationship. The site features people of all ethnicities, ages and socio-economic backgrounds, and it allows you to search by zip code for interacial personals.

    The user friendly site allows members to send messages to potential dates, and you can join for free. The profiles include plenty of information, such as age, marital status, children, pets, music and movie preferences, political views and more. With this much information, it’s easy to find someone who could be a great romantic match for you!

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  30. Ok. Now I’ve become a dumping ground for interracial dating spam.

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  31. […] Are you afraid to date a black chick? […]

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  32. I asked this question myself, this very day.http://foreverloyal.wordpress.com/2007/09/21/why-an-interracial-relationships-blog/

    I first thought an entire blog about the topic was somewhat odd, but as I read these sites (http://www.bfinterracialmarriage.blogspot.com was the first) I saw that there were many issues affecting other bw that had never affected me. So the blogs are useful to some.

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  33. Is a movement necessary? Depends whether you have power or not. If you have power, you don’t need a movement – you just do what you want. If you don’t have power, you need a movement.

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  34. Why do we need power over this? This isn’t 1960. And we are far from the old laws that stated that races could not mix.

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  35. I’m a pig.
    I want a girl thats pretty. I was raised In Hawaii, and I have lived all over this country.
    The most beautuful women in the world are right here.
    For some reason I have always been attracted to anything but white women. On a personal level I guess its because white womens looks seem to pale in comparisson to the local girls in the islands.That stiil breaths personal taste.
    My whole life I would basically approach a woman based only on her looks. But no matter how pretty she is , once she opens her mouth she had better prove to have a brain, or I’m outta here.
    I believe the reason for this choice is because growing uo here I saw a level of humilty, sincerity and gentleness among the local women..
    A lot of the white women here seem to have this snotty superiority complex. They remind me of the stuck up goody two shoes Newport beach crowd with their bleach blond hair and there starbucks and health food, Volvos and slippers and yecch !

    As far as the dick head with the “White men for black chicks” blog goes. I think its really distasteful to put a personal preferance out there as something that should be a movement.

    Maybe I should start a blog. ” Big 50 year old bikers for quiche”
    I mean , who gives a rip roaring fuck !

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  36. Of course there are exceptions. I was ranting to friend just a couple day ago about how gorgeous my pain therapist is. Shes a blondy. But she doesnt act like her shit dont stink.

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  37. […] I gotta tell you; I’ve not had any slowing down of my old post about interracial dating. It still gets a fair amount of hits. This isn’t a call for all of you jokesters to start […]

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  38. […] gotta tell you; I’ve not had any slowing down of my old post about interracial dating. It still gets a fair amount of hits. This isn’t a call for all of you jokesters to start […]

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  39. Yeah, but here’s my beef – when you admit you have preferences some people get pissed. I could care less who dates who but don’t tell me who I need to date just because it’s not “right” to have preferences.

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  40. I mean, is it wrong I don’t date men under 5’11? Really.

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  41. “There is one black woman I would not date, and that is Debbie Allen.”

    LMAO Oh damn! Debbie Allen and her sister come to my school to speak to new students every year!

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  42. […] unrelated, I enjoyed this, this and this read. I’m also feeding my thoughts with this (from one of my favorite source […]

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  43. I think some women need a “wake up call”….That’s what my blog and many others are trying to do…And you’re right we don’t necessarity need poster children for BW IR relationships….However, we do need to put up a united front as far as our right to do so is concerned….A lot of these sites have great resources in addition to the IR content itself…Makes one think…Keep up the great work and make 2008 the year of CHANGE!

    BWDB http://thecwexperience.wordpress.com

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  44. Posted by kaizen4life on Sunday, February 3, 2008 at 8:37 am

    Eh..I don’t see the problem with it. Black women are told and shown that we are ‘lesser than’ and not the ideal beauty, so I like seeing a blog that says “I like black women”. I’ve been told by other black men that every other race of women are better than black women. We have attitudes, we’re not as pretty, we’re not as feminine, etc etc. According to our society, the only thing we have going for us are our curves. Well, I’m more than my backside, kwim?

    I guess I don’t see a problem with a blog with the premise of: I’m white, I like black women. Discuss!

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  45. More White Men needs to date a Black Woman it will help them to be more hip, updated and vice versa. Don’t be afraid to taste the chocolate pudding.

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  46. yes society is still afraid. black women are still seen as the “other”. i don’t know why, because basically we are just women. but i think our social responses to certain things are deemed as racist because of our past. who can say they have been through what our ancestors have in this country. not many. there seems to be more of a social obligation to “our people”. but when i hear people say things like, black women are so sexy and nothin’ wrong with hot chocolate and things like that i make my skin crawl.

    how do we embrace the black woman’s sexuality and appeal without turning her image into a whore,oversexed and the exotic chocolate bombshell. westernsociety doesnt seem to know how to do that, and that is probably what is behind so many of black women’s apprehensivemess.

    i am open to dating someone who makes me feel
    good, who i can talk to, whoever that may be. but when i do, i am pegged as “liking X type of men”. i tell people, its not about the race of the man, its about him. but people can’t see past that, even black people. being black has in their eyes overwhelmed any other qualities I may have.

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  47. Posted by realistic on Thursday, March 27, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    ok give me a big break! I realize we are all people but lets be honest white and black women look 100 percent different how do you even fairly compare the two? And when these happy interracial couples get together what about the children? It seems to me that children born of black and white parents always seem to identify with the black culture anyway and end up disliking their white side. So whats the point don’t we all have enough other problems? Why purposely cause more ? especially for the kids.

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  48. Yea, fuck it.
    Who need these damn mixed kids?
    Done we have enough mutts running around?
    Lets do it for the kids.
    Dont hook up if you like someone, hook up for pure breds.
    I was always a fan of the boys of brazil.
    I like the way people coin themselves as ” realistic”
    As if they way see things is truly the way it is.
    Sorry bub.
    But my Portugese, Scottish, Danish, German, Hawaiian and Mahichan son might disagree with you.

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  49. Posted by realistic on Friday, March 28, 2008 at 6:49 am

    First of all I would love to commend you on your wonderful spelling abilities. Let me tell you nothing gets your point across better than coming across as illiterate. And apparently you missed my point completely I never said who needs these mixed kids and I would certainly never call children mutts. It really makes me feel that you have proven my point for me why all the self hatred? Who called you a mutt? Oh thats right you did! All I said and I am speaking from personal experience is that a lot of the time children that are mixed with two parents who differ so much racially have a hard time feeling a sense of belonging. And it is not because of people like me It is actually because of people like you who continue to use words like pure bred and mutts. So if you are looking at somebody to point your your hypocritical finger at look in the mirror

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  50. Your experience is bullshit.
    I live in Hawaii and we are a clusterfuck of mixed ethnicities and get along just fine.
    People like you and the rest of the country could stand to learn a thing or two from us.
    As far my illiteracy goes. You seem to understand well enough to respond in an accurate fashion. So blow your snotty aristocratic shit out you ass.
    I have a strange feeling that from the sound of things you are ” INCOGMAN” masquerading as ” REALISTIC”
    You relate me to ” self hating” just as Incogman did only a couple days ago, when nothing could be further from the truth. No one has ever called me that since I met that shmuck.

    “seems to me that children born of black and white parents always seem to identify with the black culture anyway and end up disliking their white side. So whats the point don’t we all have enough other problems? Why purposely cause more ? especially for the kids”

    Seems to you ? Always? We all?
    It depends on your perspective. Your perspective alone determines your reality. And from the sound of it you are a ” pro white racialist” So what other scenario would you imagine a mixed child to encounter but one of being drawn to his or hers brown side. You assume to much based on your personal hatred for anything darker than you.

    Also, show me where I called myself a mutt !
    Cut and paste for me please. I am illiterate, I need your help finding it.

    I also have a 20 year old daughter who is Mexican, Italian, Danish, German and Mahichan.
    I have raised two children whom have never even come close to any of the problems you so ” realistically” claim to be fact for “all” of us.
    “Pure bred and mutts” was used to describe what you are portraying as disadvantageous to a childs placing himself in society.
    I dont know what planet you are from but there are very few “pure” races amongst us these days.
    I actully wish I would be alive to see the day when we are all so mixed up that no one will be able to tell what anyone is and it wont really matter anymore.
    And I pray to God that sublime bigots and racist like you are there to see it.
    Just to piss you off.

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  51. Another note for my realistic friend.
    My 13 year old boy also has no such problem as you suppose will happen to mixed children.
    He is the darkest one in our family and looks more like an Indian than anything.
    He is studying musical culture on his own since he is a avid percussionist. And loves to play music from all over the world.
    His father is a chef and has also exposed him to foods from numerous cultures.
    At 13 he has learned the properties and benefits of balance and has no particular leaning to any side of any ethnicity or color.
    It seems to me that you give our children very little credit these days and promote yourself ass some kind of ” nanny racist” who has there best interest in mind by sugesting they are better off not being mixed.
    Fucking disgusting.

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  52. Posted by realistic on Friday, March 28, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    First of all you still cannot spell so that makes you an idiot but you do know how to swear so that just makes you an ignorant idiot! And what exactly have I said that brings you to the conclusion that I am a racist? Like you I also have a child of mixed race but unlike you we do not live in Hawaii we live in the southern united states and all this child has had to put up with all through their school years is being called names and being harassed by people accusing them of lying about being adopted because they look so little like one of their biological parents. Like you said genius you live in Hawaii where the indigenous people would tend to look more like a mix of different people Tahitian, Polynesian, British, ect So what’s your point are you calling this child a liar are you saying these things don’t happen on a much grander scale than obviously you would care to imagine? Welcome to the real world they do and they hurt Do you not have television where you live? I’m assuming you do so why don’t you turn it on. have you watched anything reguarding the presidential candidates? race comes up a lot SUPRISE!!!!!

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  53. I may not be a literary genius, but I am not illiterate.
    As proven by you not seeming to have any problem understanding me or responding.
    What brings me to the conclusion that you are a racist is that you go by the name “realistic”
    This has to be one of the most narcissistic labels anyone can give themselves.
    Put that narcissism in with your opinion and suggestion that we should not produce mixed children for the benefit of them or society is racism.
    Let me ask you something.
    Would it be better if all breeds just bred within themselves ? Is that what you are suggesting ?
    Because it sure as hell sounds like it my friend.
    I am not about to genetically engineer my child just so he can cruise through life without any conflict. That means I would have to choose my mate more on her race than I would her person. If I were to do what it seems you are suggesting, that would be racism.
    As far as my turning on the TV goes maybe you should try using your computer or even picking up a newspaper.
    Hawaiis etnic blends go far past the limits your puny mind imagines.
    Grander scale ?
    I’m 50 years old bub. I’ve been all over this country and lived in major cities. L.A 6 years. N.Y. 2 years. Detroit 1 year. San Diego, 6 years. Florida, 6 years.
    And I would like to know what media propogated racism in our presidential race has to do with any of this ?
    In some agreement with you, yes, race does come up in all aspects of life. Only a fucking idiot would deny it.

    Check your pucntuation shmuck, you missed a few periods and capitalizations

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  54. Get em micky!

    I’m half Native American, half Irish. I’ve never had any problems with my ethnic identity.

    First of all you still cannot spell so that makes you an idiot

    That sure is some fancy logic you got yourself there, friend.

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  55. Posted by realistic on Friday, March 28, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Now you are just making me laugh and I don’t appreciate it. I’m not saying we should pick a mate by race alone and when the world turns into the the perfect place that you apparently reside I think it would be great to procreate with someone of any race color or creed you so desire but for right now I believe with all of the other bad things that are going on that we can’t predict or change maybe it would be a thoughtful thing to at least think about the life we are choosing for our children and if our happiness and well being with our situations will be shared by them and by the way I am not a schmuck or rather shmuck as you called me and I am by no means a racist. I enjoy and appreciate all races. I have had to learn the hard way myself not all people are so kind and accepting of all people. Isn’t our job to try to protect our children and not purposely cause them pain or unhappiness? Because the fact is that this does exist in our world and it doesn’t look like it is going to change anytime soon.

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  56. Realistic: If you’re going to play at pedantry, please learn to grammar.

    The line break and the comma are our friends.

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  57. The only thing ‘realistic’ about any of this: the quality of our Public Schools is properly portrayed through your blatant disregard for the english language. Mick, you know I’m not this at you. Clarity: Realistic, don’t stir the pot with a dirty utensil.

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  58. My bust, ‘Micky, you know I’m not aiming this at you’.

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  59. Posted by realistic on Friday, March 28, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Why exactly are you not aiming this at Micky? Because its ok to not be able to spell but not ok to not punctuate properly?

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  60. And it will never change with what you are suggesting.
    lets keep all the brown kids away from the white ones so they wont fight /
    Dont talk to me about intelligence or my perfect world !!!
    You are the one who wants things the way you see fit that they should be according to ” your reality”.
    The reality is this shmuck.
    Since the beggining of time man has been sticking his dick in anything that wont stand still longer than two seconds.

    Job?
    It is our job to teach our kids how to deal with idealists and racists such as yourself.
    It is our job to raise our kids in a happy household amongst two parents who love each other and whos first attraction to each other was the person and not the skin.
    It is our job to teach our kids to stay with and devote themselves the one they love.
    It is our job to teach all kids that all people are Gods children. And that what truly makes us better humans is to develope skills that enable us to get along.
    And that skill should by no means be one that keeps us from interacting like the highly evolved species that we are.
    Grow up!
    We need more examples in our society that show the rest of the bigoted country we actually can make this work.
    But if we were to do what you suggest we will of caved in to the doctrines of separatism and racism.

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  61. Posted by realistic on Friday, March 28, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    Of all the things we have discussed that is all you have to add keywork?

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  62. And will you drop the fucking spelling , grammar and punctuation hang up already and just deal with the subject ?
    Maybe not. Because it seems that your hang up with grammar is equivalent to your hang up with people.
    Everything and one must go exactly where you think they belong.

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  63. Whatevs. Because I’m aiming it at you. But poor grammar is the least of your issues. Laughing is good for your body. Seriously, your ideals aren’t fucking digestible.

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  64. Who picked on you when you were little?

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  65. Posted by realistic on Friday, March 28, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    You must be addressing me and a few others I am assuming.Why is it that you think I have a hang up with people exactly? Do I need to tell you again that these are not my hang ups but the hang ups of others that I have come in contact with. And what the hell does man sticking his dick in everything that walks have to do with this?

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  66. Well, that’s how babies are usually made.

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  67. Posted by realistic on Friday, March 28, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    It is so obvious to me that the two of you are fucking idiots. And nobody picked on me when I was young I’m guessing that I would have been the one picking on you two dumb assholes. And no thats not how babies are made usually fucknut. Thats just probably the way your babies were made though considering you probably don’t know what foreplay is and I bet my ass you can’t spell it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  68. The dick sticking is in reference to the fact that man does not fuck with social engineering in mind.
    And the sooner we learn that we will never be able to accomplish such things that you suggest the sooner we will face reality.
    White slave owners were consistantly known to treat black slave women as animals and speak unfavorably of them to their peers.
    But hey ! When no one was looking they would rape them on a regular basis.
    And the children born of those mothers were mixed.
    Those children were abondoned by a society that held the beliefs you hold.
    And that was more than a decade ago.
    So let me just say this.
    You are no by no means an example of any progress this country has made. You are clearly an example of a someone who chooses to conform to the rules of separatism and racism. Instead of confronting intolerence, you have succumbed to it.

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  69. Key can make babaies without foreplay.
    I’ve seen him do it.

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  70. Oh fuck ! I misspelled babies !
    Say ten hail marys and go do some dick sticking

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  71. Posted by realistic on Friday, March 28, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    What the hell are you talking about you fucking moron? I have a interracial child so exactly what standards am I conforming to? All I am saying If you could get your head out of your ass for a minute is that change comes slowly and do you really want to put the responsibility of change on a child if you don’t have to!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  72. Posted by realistic on Friday, March 28, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    What are you a catholic? You really give us a bad name there Mick

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  73. Posted by realistic on Friday, March 28, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    Oh how cute you watch him make babies. And then what you suck each others dicks

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  74. It is so obvious to me that the two of you are fucking idiots

    There are 3 of us. Who are you leaving out?

    Realistic, the reason we’re busting you on your grammar and punctuation is because you used micky’s spelling as evidence that he shouldn’t be listened to. You weren’t arguing points, but sniping at spelling. It’s perfectly fair to turn your own logic against you.

    Your spelling seems to be too perfect; I’ll bet you a poke in the eye that you’re using spell check. A monkey can do that. It takes a human mind to make intelligible paragraphs.

    I’d be glad to argue points with you. Let me know when you’ve made one.

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  75. Posted by realistic on Friday, March 28, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Actually I hate to break it to you bagel but I don’t use spell check. What point have you made I must have missed it. Whats the matter Mick can’t fight his own battle?

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  76. Actually hes a Racoon. And hes running for president. Bagel is his half daughter.
    I’ve seen him do a lot of strange shit.
    Realistic one;
    Your punctuation is slipping.
    There was no question mark after “dicks’
    And you should of capitalized the C in “Catholic”
    Join us fucking idiots why dont you ?

    Once a week I go to a Lutheran church, a Seventh day Adventist church, and a Catholic church.
    They all have bad names, its organized religion thats why.
    But I do drop of food to all of them for their outreach programs.
    Seeing now how you describe yourself as a Catholic puts it all in perspective for me now.
    Ritualistic, idealistic, conformist standard missionary position bullshit.

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  77. Somebody buy this guy a label maker. Yeah, I would much rather my children grow up without responsibilities. Let’s pad the walls, carry them everywhere. That should toughen them up. Oh, and I sincerely doubt you would be picking on me, mentally or physically. And as far as you making reference to how my son was made, I will kindly tell you to go fuck yourself. And don’t do that again.

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  78. Geez. What is it about my blog that brings out all the radical, race hating, bored, emotionally inept bloggers?! And by that I mean Mr. Realistic and no one else here. What is really Realistic is that this is Icogman, hiding. Hello, Incog. How nice for you to visit yet again. It raises my page views.

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  79. Realistic: I commented on this post when it was new. The owner of this blog is my friend. See the RationReality feed on the sidebar? That’s my shit. You wouldn’t last an hour there.

    WordPress alerts me to action on old threads I’ve participated in. When I saw you potkettling my friend micky’s spelling, I had to feed my idiot fix.

    My point was:

    56 The Bagel of Everything
    Realistic: If you’re going to play at pedantry, please learn to grammar.

    The line break and the comma are our friends.

    You might need to consult your dictionary. The one with more words than pictures. Ask your mom to help you.

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  80. Posted by realistic on Friday, March 28, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    Well look at you Mick saying such terrible things about religions that don’t conform to your ideals tisk tisk I thought you were so much better than that. Oh and keywork I don’t give a rats fat ass what you say or think I will do whatever I want when I want oh such idol threats ha ha ha ha ha ha ha don’t do it again boo fucking hoo

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  81. So, Jenice…
    Isn’t it interesting that he’s ignoring us women-folk? I love the smell of intimidated males. It smells like…

    WIN!

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  82. There’s really nothing unique or interesting about this douchebag.

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  83. So much for being realistic huh ?
    Might as well sign in as Incogman. I had you pegged in the beggining.
    You are obviously a fucking idiot to think that any of us are dumb enough to swallow your shit.
    Thats right religious bitch, I conform to no religious doctrine.
    One look at history should be enough for any idiot to figure out how destructive it has been.

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  84. Douchebag that can spell ?

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  85. Go ahead incogman, I dare you. Take a trip over to Bagels place.
    You aint seen smart yet bitch !

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  86. I know, Bagel. Sometimes it’s just lovely having a vagina.

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  87. Ha! Don’t be stealing Jenice’s fave reader! She’s go ghetto on my lily ass!

    I think we’ve got his asshattery safely quarantined here. Everyone’s wearing their surgical masks, right?

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  88. Posted by realistic on Friday, March 28, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    You are all soooooooooooo lame it’s like a fucking cult up in here. Everybody is so afraid to step on someones toes its pathetic!!!! You are all in fucking denial everything I have said holds some truth. So whats the problem?

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  89. Up in here ?
    I know your head isnt up my ass.
    I love this.
    It reminds me of the group therapy sessions I used to attend.
    Theres always one guy who thinks the whole world is wrong. And that we all should understand him and he doesnt have to understand anyone else.

    Look Realistic.
    You do what you want with your pecker and your kids.
    But dont go expecting a whole bunch of people to fall in with you.
    As keywork said it best.
    “Seriously, your ideals aren’t fucking digestible”

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  90. Posted by realistic on Friday, March 28, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    No thats not ok and I’m not in some fucking therapy group and I am not trying to get everyone to feel the same way as I do I am just trying to figure out where all the anger is coming from juust because my opinion differs from yours

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  91. You should be in a therapy group.
    Admitting you have a problem is the first step.

    Because you have the nerve to think you are right.
    Because by your name alone you give the impression you own the market on reality.
    Because I think you are actually “Incogman”
    Because you think we are a cult because we all hold the same belief.
    Because you talk down about how loving intelligent people choose to raise their children.
    Because you think we should all have racially adapted children.
    Because you actually believe that we will be doing our kids and the world a favor by not placing mixed breeds on the planet.
    Because you worry more about grammar and use it to obfuscate and apply some suggestion that because we misspell and dont punctuate correctly we are lesser than you.
    Because you are a hypocrite. You fucked up your own spelling and punctuation quite a few times.
    If you admitt that you are a fucking idiot, you would no longer be a hypocrite.
    Because you assume like some naive tourist that you have some insight as to my racial climate here in Hawaii.
    Because you assume I cant fight my own battles.
    Everyone here came on their own accord.
    Because you are a limp dick that wants some other generation to make the changes we need in our societies.
    Because you were mean to my friends.

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  92. Posted by realistic on Friday, March 28, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    You know what Mickey or Micky or whatever the fuck your gay ass name is I hope your in fist grade with a name like that I don’t give a shit what you think and you take yourself way to fucking seriously my guess is that you are poor and are married or dating a very average woman and I wasn’t picking on the punctuation you were dick head and fuck you and hawaii you bunch of fat natives and I have also lived all over the country but I am quessing it wasn’t in the same neighborhoods You are a low class blue collar kind of guy SORRY LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  93. Posted by realistic on Friday, March 28, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    Oh and by the way I am a woman not a man fuck face!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  94. “Actually I hate to break it to you bagel but I don’t use spell check. “

    Your abuse of homonyms says otherwise.

    …”a very average woman”…

    Average is an absolute. There is no very average. Unless, of course, she’s very pregnant.

    …”I am a woman not a man”…
    You write like a man. You should have your hormones tested.

    …”I hope you[‘]r[e] in fist grade”…
    Hey! I have very fond memories of fist grade!

    If you want to make a point, I’m listening. All I saw was an unintelligible rant, followed by hypocritical nit-picking.

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  95. WoooHooo !
    Are you upset ?
    Sounds like tolerance only applies to those who are tolerant with you.

    I dont normally do this.
    But just to shoot the living crap out of you I will.

    I own a 450,000.00 home in Hawaii.
    I own my own business that I started with 250.00 and a bench grinder.
    That business is paying my mortgage.
    I was 18 when I got my assocaite science in Restaurant managment. Only spent 2 months in high school and passed all subjects in my GED in one day.
    I overcame approx. 25 years of addiction and alcoholism.
    Have been sober for 15 years.
    Was only one of 3 white boys in elementary and middle school. I kicked the living shit out of anyone who fucked with me in the first couple of years and after that everyone left me alone.
    I studied chinese kempo for 7 years.
    I have been shot at, stabbed 8 inches deep and beat the shit out of the two guys that did it to me, fallen off a 3rd story balcony and broke both arms, one leg , my nose and bruised my entire spine and walked to the hospital.
    I have been mobbed by six at one time and had all my teeth kicked in and my face crushed.
    I have rolled two cars at over 55 mph and walked away, have shot more dope in one year than the best of any junkie and can drink just about any shmuck under the table and go home and drink for another week nonstop after that.
    I have been in and out of jail more than I can remember. The last time was for opening a cops face with my foot because he handcuffed me in front of my son.
    I can bench press 300 lbs at 50 years old and at 250 lbs.
    Believe me, after all that I have been through you are like a gnat on the tip of a bulls dick. All your rantings and ravings are the last thing in the world that will offend me.
    Almost every woman I’ve had has been of some ethnicity besides white, I just think they are prettier. I lost count in the 80s.
    I settled down 13 years ago with a woman who is quite possibly the kindest and gentlest soul in earth.
    I have two very happy “racially mixed children”. My daughter grew up in L.A. and has never experienced any of the shit you say we should worry about.

    The reason I thought you were Incogman is because you sound alot alike. I guess thats what happens when the seed drops too close to the tree.

    As far as the rest of you post goes, it only shows that you are clearly at a disadvantage when it comes to any kind of composure, never mind raising children.
    If you didnt give a fuck what I think then why did you invest so much energy trying to convince me that you were right ?
    Where I come from punctuation is a part of spelling.
    And it was you who brought it up first “dick head”.
    ( comment #49).
    Come back some other time when you can actually prove a point instead of trying to shove it down everyones throat with your holier than thou demeaning little tactics.

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  96. “Oh and by the way I am a woman not a man fuck face!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    I fucking knew it

    Listen Realistic, with all do respect take my advice and back off. You’re gonna give yourself a coronary trying to prove a point that wasn’t yours in the first place. You started something that obviously you can’t finish. It’s a win/lose situation we’re gonna win and your gonna lose. That’s just how we roll.

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  97. I love friends that win.

    Oh ! By the way !

    Ms. Realistic.
    Show us your tits !

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  98. Wait a minute !
    Does this mean that Incogman is really a chick ?

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  99. “Missionary position bullshit.” Did someone say missionary position? Hiya, Mick.

    Realistic: A serious question if’n you’re still around… Let’s take your premise and look at it for a minute: “the world has enough problems and if one knows aforethought that a biracial child will suffer more than a child of a single race, it’s irresponsible to bring that child into the world.” I get the feeling behind this idea. As a parent, I can relate to any impulse to not create undue suffering in a child’s life. But let’s carry that a step further: is it wrong to bring a child with disabilities into the world because some people will make fun of him? I don’t think so. Is it wrong to bring a blind child into the world for the same reason? Ask Stevie Wonder. Is it wrong to bring my margaritas to an office meeting? Maybe.

    But maybe the problem is that the people you worry about are cocksuckers you can’t change in the first place, leaving you with one of two options: a) help the child internalize the shame those people want him/her to feel, or b) teach the child and everyone else what the proud parent of an awesome, well-adjusted, biracial, accepted-for-who-he/she-is-child looks like. And be the motherfucking change you wish to see in the world. Be it. Why? Because the other people aren’t.

    Hi, Jenice. Nice blog.

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  100. Because now that it’s all over, I figured I’d add two more cents. I’m very useful in this capacity.

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  101. Posted by realistic on Saturday, March 29, 2008 at 6:59 am

    I am so happy to hear that you are an ex con ex junkie your family must be so proud. I won’t get into the financial stuff cause I don’t want to hurt your feelings. All I will say is that I own more real estate in Dubai than you can count. If you are an example of how a 50 year old man conducts himself that is really sad.

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  102. Posted by realistic on Saturday, March 29, 2008 at 7:20 am

    Just out of curiosity what is it exactly that you find so unattractive about WHITE women?

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  103. Once again my friend, you assume too much.
    I never said white women were unattractive, now did I?
    I have a preferance, thats all.
    I also like skinney Asian women with really huge breasts.
    Although I think pizza without anchovies sucks it doesnt mean those who dont care for them are any less able to choose for themselves than I am.
    You own property in Dubai ?
    Hmmm…
    Which terror organization do you think is benefiting from your investment.
    I mat be an ex con. But you are simply investing in what is contrary to the saftey of our country.
    If you had some insight a little deeper than the tip of your nose you would realize that I have overcome rejection and adversity of extreme proportions and eneded up living in the most beautiful part of the world and made something of myself no matter what stood in my way.
    As far as blue collar workers goes. We are the heartbeat of this country asshole and dont ever let your pompous little ass ever forget it.
    And since you are doing so well I’m sure you can pack it up and move to neighborhood that wont be so treacherous for your poor overshelterd children. It sounds to me like you should even be able to hire private tutors. That way the poor little babys will never have to here a sour note in their adolecense.
    The goose has reflected what I said earlier. But she has included the other side of the morality that you seem unable to digest.
    Bottom line is this.
    You are a judgemental hypocrite. And here is why.
    You assume people are stupid because they dont spell as well as you.
    And then you turn around and butcher your own grammar.
    You want change in this world but you are unwilling to be a part of it. Leaving the work to be done by future generations. As proven by the quote below

    Realistic:
    “If you could get your head out of your ass for a minute is that change comes slowly and do you really want to put the responsibility of change on a child if you don’t have to!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    Realistic;
    “I have had to learn the hard way myself not all people are so kind and accepting of all people. Isn’t our job to try to protect our children and not purposely cause them pain or unhappiness? Because the fact is that this does exist in our world and it doesn’t look like it is going to change anytime soon.”

    So let me get this right. You’re going to keep all negative aspects of life away from your kids and then when they are 18 set them loose with no clue as to how to deal with any of this ?
    Nice.

    Realistic.
    “I’m assuming you do so why don’t you turn it on. have you watched anything reguarding the presidential candidates? race comes up a lot SUPRISE!!!!!”

    HELLO ! Earth to Realistic.
    For the first time in our history we have a 1/2 white 1/2 black man running for president !
    If anything is an inspiration for those who feel the way you do that should be it !
    Even though I think Obama is not fit for the job, it is still a milestone in our history.

    As far as the knocking way I conduct myself goes this is where you are a judgemental hypocrite again.

    Realistic;
    “You know what Mickey or Micky or whatever the fuck your gay ass name is I hope your in fist grade with a name like that I don’t give a shit what you think and you take yourself way to fucking seriously my guess is that you are poor and are married or dating a very average woman and I wasn’t picking on the punctuation you were dick head and fuck you and hawaii you bunch of fat natives and I have also lived all over the country but I am quessing it wasn’t in the same neighborhoods You are a low class blue collar kind of guy SORRY LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    You slap me with a gay label as if its wrong to be gay.
    You are a bigot ontop of everything else.
    And I am not gay.
    Mickey is my nickname. Michael is my real name.
    The Danish pronounciation of Michael is “Meekel”.
    I moved to the states when I was three and for some reason Americans called me Mickey, and who gives a fuck, except for you.
    Yes, I do take myself seriously, but not to the point where I think I am better than those with different opinions.
    As far as my wife goes, she has more love and compassion and wisdom in her shit than you do in your entire existance.

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  104. Oh !
    And by the way. As far as Hawaii and the “fat natives” remark goes.
    This is just another example of the idiocy, generalizations, bigotry, ignorance and hypocrisy you display.
    Physically each race will carry its own traits. Hawaiians in particular have been large and plump in recent generations due to their lack of knowledge in nutrition.
    Today they are some of the healthiest people on the planet.
    Hawaii does have the second or third highest standard of living in our country. And we boast one of the healthiest populations.
    Also, as I said before you are ignorant to the demographics of our state. Your perception is one of the typical ignorant white bread/mayo/and bologna tourist.
    We are not just a blend of Polynisians , Tahitians and Brits as you say. The vision you carry is one of our history about 500 years ago. Since then we have had migrations from all over the world.
    Portugese, Filippino, Chinese, Japanese, Irish and just about anything you could think of.
    You and the ignorant folk you speek of and are so afraid of my dear friend could stand to learn a thing or two from this state and its people about tolereance , acceptance, and harmony.
    Society in Hawaii has evolved to the point where we all realize that we have to get along if we want to live in the most beautiful state in the country together.
    AND SO WE DO !
    We do not breed our children with the intention of dodging racial adversity.
    Instead, we embrace and cherish each and every aspect of every culture and its people.
    What child hasnt gotten her pig tails teased, or his ears ? os something about his person ?
    Children can be very cruel without intendidng to be. But that is how we learn, that is how evolve.
    Its called lessons in life. Its how we learn right from wrong.
    Without this we would never have societies evolving to the next stages of acceptance, we would still be stuck with medieval mentalities.
    If our country was attacked would you wait for the next generation to fight off our attackers?
    The problem may be to big handle once people like you get around to handling it.
    You see a problem in our society but do not want yourself or you children to be the ones to have to deal with it.
    You are a greedy self ceterd ignorant peice of shit who will shun your responsabilities to future generations just you can have what you think is feasable for you now.

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  105. I would like to piggy back on Goose’s comment (thanks for visting by the way) and what started this fury. I understand that the more “different” a kid is, the more trouble they will have in fitting in. I have to give you a “reality” check, Realistic: I was constantly ridiculed by my peers. I always had friends, wasn’t exactly supremely unpopular, and my school days were fairly normal. BUT I was a black girl who didn’t act stereotypically.

    In other words I was accused of not being black enough. Not sounding black enough. Dressing the way I did. Liking the music I liked. Having mostly white friends…I was raised by educated parents…that was my fault I guess! I hate that uninformed people assume that if you don’t fit in a box of what your skin color dictats, you are a freak. And why should that be an issue? So what I’m telling you is, I’m not biracial and yet I experienced these things you are speaking of. All in all, through all of this anger, THAT is what you need to understand. This isn’t about race. It is just what it is: Ignorance.

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  106. Oreos are as delicious as they are nutritious.

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  107. Theres 11 types of Oreos, however do they all get along ?

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  108. It’s the creme that unites us all, micky.

    Shortening and sugar alone are weak, but combined they hold great power over confectionery injustices.

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  109. I made the world out of sugar. I even got a scholarship for doing it.

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  110. […] dating. I’ve discussed it here frequently. For kicks read: Black Woman, White Men and Are You Afraid to Date a Black Chick? And in today’s times, I’m still taken back by how incessant racism still is. But I am […]

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  111. […] from people infatuated with Anthony Micheal Hall, LOL cat fans like me, curious Googlers wanting to know everything about interracial relationships and the pedicure obsessed. These are just to name a few. Below is a list of the most recent […]

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  112. I looked at the blog you posted about, and I was struck by the number of comments to just about every post on this guy’s blog. I guess that alone tells us something – his POV seems to resonate with a lot of people. So maybe the people reading his blog are people who do need something (not necessarily a “movement” as you called it) – some support for stepping out of the mainstream black community or just someplace to vent. We can talk all we want about how accepting people are of interracial relationships, but that acceptance is often in the abstract, and disappears when it becomes individual and personal (i.e., it’s happening in your own family – amazing how that can bring out people’s latent prejudices). And the interracial relationships most people are accustomed to seeing are black men/non-white women or white men/asian women. The white male/black female combination is still comparatively rare. Black men can get downright mean when they see a black women with a non-black man, even some black men who date/marry non-black women! So I’ll assume that those people who comment on his blog and/or lurk on his blog do so because they get something out of it. While not everyone might need this kind of support, it looks like some people do. If a little extra support is what it takes to “free your mind”, then more power to his blog.

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